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== Incorrect growth factors in GET_ALK == | |||
The hygroscopic growth factors in GET_ALK (seasalt_mod.f) are incorrect. | The hygroscopic growth factors in GET_ALK (seasalt_mod.f) are incorrect. | ||
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IF ( IRH < 70 ) HGF = 1.6d0 | IF ( IRH < 70 ) HGF = 1.6d0 | ||
IF ( IRH < 50 ) HGF = 1.0d0 | IF ( IRH < 50 ) HGF = 1.0d0 | ||
== Comparing modeled sea salt to observations == | |||
'''''[mailto:dxy84123@gmail.com Xinyi Dong] wrote:''''' | |||
:I have another question about the species "sea-salt aerosol" in GEOS-Chem: according to the species list, there are aerosols SO4 (sulfate), SO4s (sulfate on surface of sea-salt aerosol), NIT, NITs, SALA, and SALC. So if I want the mass concentration of sea-salt, which of the following is right: | |||
sea-salt aerosol = SALA + SALC + SO4s + NITs, or | |||
sea-salt aerosol = SALA + SALC | |||
:And if I want the mass concentration of sulfate, which of the following is right: | |||
sulfate = SO4</tt>, or | |||
sulfate = SO4 + SO4s | |||
:Also, when GEOS-Chem is evaluated against surface observations (for example, IMPROVE), how do you handle the data from different observation sites that lie in the same grid-cell? | |||
'''''[mailto:jeffrey.pierce@colostate.edu Jeff Pierce] wrote:''''' | |||
:I personally use this formula for total sea salt: | |||
sea-salt aerosol = SALA + SALC | |||
:If you want the real total sulfate, it's | |||
sulfate = SO4 + SO4s. | |||
:However, in most studies, when people say sulfate, they mean "non-sea-salt sulfate" in which case | |||
sulfate = SO4</tt> | |||
:is correct. I believe that SO4s and NITs are part of SALA and SALC (thus, if you wanted the sea-salt without the sulfate and nitrate that is associated with it, you subtract it). I'm not positive if this is correct though. | |||
:As to your question about different observations that fall into the same grid box: as fas as I know, different people do things differently. You can | |||
:# evaluate you grid box against each of the observations (thus 3 obs sites would be 3 points on a 1:1 plot) or | |||
:# average the various sites to have just a single comparison. | |||
:I generally prefer (1) since it highlights the variability within the gridboxes. Occationally, depending on what I'm evaluating, I'll remove observation sites that are in hotspots like cities (though if you are running at nested resolution, you resolve these better anyways). | |||
'''''[mailto:heald@mit.edu Colette Heald] wrote:''''' | |||
:I concur with Jeff. My understanding is that SO4s is sulfate on sea salt, but it is simply the mass of sulfate on this medium (not the mass of sulfate+ sea salt). The same for NITs. So | |||
sea salt aerosol = SALA + SALC | |||
:and | |||
total sulfate = SO4 + SO4s | |||
:Jeff is also right that there are different ways to compare model and obs. I actually prefer his method #2 (although I calculate the standard deviation of observation sites that I average within a gridbox to track the idea of variability that Jeff mentioned). | |||
--[[User:Bmy|Bob Y.]] 12:15, 25 February 2013 (EST) |
Latest revision as of 17:15, 25 February 2013
Incorrect growth factors in GET_ALK
The hygroscopic growth factors in GET_ALK (seasalt_mod.f) are incorrect.
The following:
! hygroscopic growth factor for sea-salt from Chin et al. (2002) IF ( IRH < 100 ) HGF = 2.2d0 IF ( IRH < 99 ) HGF = 1.9d0 IF ( IRH < 95 ) HGF = 1.8d0 IF ( IRH < 90 ) HGF = 1.6d0 IF ( IRH < 80 ) HGF = 1.5d0 IF ( IRH < 70 ) HGF = 1.4d0 IF ( IRH < 50 ) HGF = 1.0d0
should be replaced with:
! hygroscopic growth factor for sea-salt from Chin et al. (2002) IF ( IRH < 100 ) HGF = 4.8d0 IF ( IRH < 99 ) HGF = 2.9d0 IF ( IRH < 95 ) HGF = 2.4d0 IF ( IRH < 90 ) HGF = 2.0d0 IF ( IRH < 80 ) HGF = 1.8d0 IF ( IRH < 70 ) HGF = 1.6d0 IF ( IRH < 50 ) HGF = 1.0d0
Comparing modeled sea salt to observations
Xinyi Dong wrote:
- I have another question about the species "sea-salt aerosol" in GEOS-Chem: according to the species list, there are aerosols SO4 (sulfate), SO4s (sulfate on surface of sea-salt aerosol), NIT, NITs, SALA, and SALC. So if I want the mass concentration of sea-salt, which of the following is right:
sea-salt aerosol = SALA + SALC + SO4s + NITs, or sea-salt aerosol = SALA + SALC
- And if I want the mass concentration of sulfate, which of the following is right:
sulfate = SO4, or sulfate = SO4 + SO4s
- Also, when GEOS-Chem is evaluated against surface observations (for example, IMPROVE), how do you handle the data from different observation sites that lie in the same grid-cell?
Jeff Pierce wrote:
- I personally use this formula for total sea salt:
sea-salt aerosol = SALA + SALC
- If you want the real total sulfate, it's
sulfate = SO4 + SO4s.
- However, in most studies, when people say sulfate, they mean "non-sea-salt sulfate" in which case
sulfate = SO4
- is correct. I believe that SO4s and NITs are part of SALA and SALC (thus, if you wanted the sea-salt without the sulfate and nitrate that is associated with it, you subtract it). I'm not positive if this is correct though.
- As to your question about different observations that fall into the same grid box: as fas as I know, different people do things differently. You can
- evaluate you grid box against each of the observations (thus 3 obs sites would be 3 points on a 1:1 plot) or
- average the various sites to have just a single comparison.
- I generally prefer (1) since it highlights the variability within the gridboxes. Occationally, depending on what I'm evaluating, I'll remove observation sites that are in hotspots like cities (though if you are running at nested resolution, you resolve these better anyways).
Colette Heald wrote:
- I concur with Jeff. My understanding is that SO4s is sulfate on sea salt, but it is simply the mass of sulfate on this medium (not the mass of sulfate+ sea salt). The same for NITs. So
sea salt aerosol = SALA + SALC
- and
total sulfate = SO4 + SO4s
- Jeff is also right that there are different ways to compare model and obs. I actually prefer his method #2 (although I calculate the standard deviation of observation sites that I average within a gridbox to track the idea of variability that Jeff mentioned).
--Bob Y. 12:15, 25 February 2013 (EST)